On the occasion of the revival of Le Parc from 6 to 31 December at the Palais Garnier – Angelin Preljocaj’s first ballet for the dancers of the Paris Opera Ballet in 1994 – the choreographer was interviewed by the journalist. Alexandre Lacroix. Looking back over several centuries of dance, in particular the emergence of contemporary dance on the artistic and aesthetic scene, Preljocaj tackles the subject of his relationship with movement and the body in terms of virtuosity, emotion and sensuality.

Angelin Preljocaj: Historically, classical dance aims to escape gravity. The desire for elevation was pushed so far that the girls found themselves on points, in order to rise even higher than on tiptoe. And then, classical choreographies insist on the propensity of the men to carry the women so as to raise them up above the ground, to make them fly. Contemporary dance aims to be less ethereal, less refined. It seeks to exploit gravity in order to create movement, energy, and a vocabulary of gestures stemming from falling. As a choreographer, I belong to the world of contemporary dance, even though I created Le Parc for the classical dancers of the Paris Opera Ballet: I enjoyed taking them out of their comfort zone, asking them to forget for a while the airy ideal so as to inhabit bodies with weight, that lean on each other.

A.P.: Indeed, Isadora Duncan, with an aesthetic that heralded expressionism, showed a body that exulted, a passionate body. This was a liberation of energy. But following that, contemporary dance was enriched and diversified by several different currents. The current of Mary Wigman (1886-1973) and Pina Bausch (1940-2009) extended Duncan’s aesthetic, which sought to transmit emotions coming from within, from the deepest recesses of the body. When I first started, I was trained in classical dance, then I worked with Karin Waehner (1926-1999), who was a pupil of Mary Wigman in Leipzig at the end of the forties. This eruptive, emotional dance for me was an electric shock, a revelation.

However, a little later, I had the opportunity to encounter another current of contemporary dance, what we call American Modern Dance, working with the choreographer Merce Cunningham (1919-2009) who was its emblematic figure. That opened up a new world for me. One of Merce Cunningham’s phrases that struck me the most, it was an eye-opener for me, was when I heard her say at the end of a sequence, having stopped the piano: “Stop showing the movement. Do the movement.” In Modern Dance, the dancers don’t try to represent emotions. They perform movements on stage which, articulated one after the other in a given spatial context, ultimately create an emotion within the spectator. However, the emotion is for the person watching; as for the dancers, they do not express themselves subjectively, they become a work of art.

Finally, I would say that these two influences, that of Mary Wigman and of Merce Cunningham, nurtured me and created within me a sort of schizophrenia: I like tackling abstract themes, with music by Stockhausen or John Cage, but also narrative ballets, like Romeo and Juliet or Le Parc.

A.P.: Listening to your question made me think of Nadia Comaneci, who won the gold medal for gymnastics in the 1974 Olympics. I remember very well that I was doing dance at the time and that I was stunned by the broadcast of that event. I had the impression that I was looking at a mutant, a creature that was no longer human. With her body, she executed extraordinary movements, that nobody had ever seen before. The judges gave her three tens, the highest score possible, which had never been awarded to anyone before and which made the score display go wrong, so much so that the gymnast and her trainer almost fainted when they saw 01, 01, 01 appear on the screen. Today, in all objectivity, Nadia Comaneci wouldn’t even get chosen for the Olympic Games. She’d be in a regional team. This is exactly what you’re talking about. Dieticians and coaches have had a huge technical impact on the world of sport, and the bodies of sportsmen and women, like those of dancers, have been extraordinarily honed.

A.P.: Certain choreographers are highly preoccupied by bodies, others are more interested in the movements of those bodies. These are two rather different approaches, and I tend, for my part, to focus less on the bodies themselves, rather than on the transcription of movement within the space – in the choreographic tradition begun by Merce Cunningham. In my writing, the body must be at the service of the movement. For some choreographies, I’m going to want virtuosity, not for the beauty of the bodies themselves, but in order to articulate difficult, innovative movements. However, I recently presented a piece at the Montpellier Dance Festival[1] that I had worked on for four months with five inmates of the Penitentiary Centre Les Baumettes in Marseille who had never danced before. I found it very exciting to see how bodies that were constrained, confined, could find liberty through dance. So I’m back to this preoccupation with movement which, for me, is central.

A.P.: Very honed, yes. But virtuosity interests me as a tool, not as an end in itself. To answer directly: when I hold auditions, I’m not looking for good dancers but for people who dance very well. Do you get the difference? If I looked for a good dancer, I’d be within a format, I’d have quantitative criteria in mind. But first I want to be face to face with people, personalities whose presence one feels – and those people also have to dance very well. In a production, this nuance changes quite a few things. I don’t like the audience to say, at the start of a choreography, “Ah, here we are, a dancer’s just come on stage...” Because that creates distance. I prefer to show a man or a woman who arrives on the stage, who does a few steps, who fully exists, and then... it so happens, in addition, that this man or woman dances extremely well. I’m interested in transition, the passage from habitual gestures to dance. What makes the difference? How does one know that the person has begun to dance, when up to then they were content to walk or move a bit? I really like the passage from non-dance to dance to be unbroken.

A.P.: I look for a balance between power and fragility. To use the notions of Aristotle, the dancer’s body manifests a passage from potential to action. In that way, he attains plenitude, he fulfils his potential. He goes to the full extent of his being. Of course, using the word power here, I’m not thinking of either force or political power, violence even less, but of the blossoming of the possibilities of being. However, that’s not enough. This quest for self-fulfilment in the act of dancing would be a bit vain, or too demonstrative, if it were not punctuated by touches of fragility. Fragility, in art, only has meaning in relation to power. If you see someone who comes on stage and is fragile from start to finish, the performance is a failure. But if you see someone come on stage and deploy his power from start to finish, there’s no emotion, and the performance is just as much a failure. It is the effect of the contrast between power and fragility that elicits emotion. In other terms, if you can’t find a way of linking power and fragility, there is no drama.

A.P.: You are right to say that representations of sexuality have become commonplace in the contemporary world, and yet, are we really that liberated? Or have we, in fact, lost, I don’t know, something of our...

A.P.: Yes, sensuality. We’ve put everything into our telephones, we live by proxy through social networks. But the field of eroticism, in the concrete substance of our lives, is it really expanding? Or has it been shrinking since the seventies? People can send as many messages as they want, but I have the impression that they touch each other less, that they make physical contact less easily. As for adolescents, aren’t they just as ill-equipped at the age of their first love as they were fifty years ago?

A.P.: There again, are you sure that this is new? There was already incredible eroticisation in classical ballet. Ultra-short tutus, boys in skin-tight tights, it was all very erotic, even as early as the 19^th century.

A.P.: As a language, dance is bound to be sexualised. This is an indelible mark. Whatever one does, one will never be able to eliminate that. In 1988, I did a ballet called Liqueurs de chair. I wanted, very explicitly, to treat eroticism, to offer an erotic ballet and I still abide by that stage of my career. However, I think that audiences of dance in general are a bit like pickpockets of the erotic. You go to the opera or the theatre, you’re sitting somewhere in the audience, there are a lot of people. And you see things, bodies, gestures, that fascinate and stir your feelings. But on leaving the performance, you don’t talk about it. You don’t say: “The bit when he grabs her, though, when he lifts her leg, when he presses her to him, it sort of turned me on.” No, you don’t say anything. Those erotic moments, one accepts them, one stores them away and keeps them to oneself.

A.P.: That’s a smart question... which makes me think that dancers are connected, but in a quasi-telepathic way. When I work with a group on a ballet, I notice after a while that the dancers are capable of moving together, even without music, without even seeing each other. We need to do some neurological research into this, for I am convinced that through working together, through complicity, you reach a sort of mental rapport, a cerebral connection. Several people can be dancing and yet they dance as one. So, I’d almost like to turn your question around, to invert that logic: isn’t it this same telepathic ability that has spurred humans on to develop connected technology? Isn’t it that our prostheses extend a deep-seated and profound aptitude?

A.P.: No, I don’t really like going back over things. I like inventing better. Marcel Duchamp said that the art of a period is not like the taste of a period. Often, art is constructed as a protest, an act of provocation that goes against the prevalent taste. That’s why I find it dangerous to want to adapt something to the tastes of the time, there’s a risk of eliminating its singularity. The only thing that has changed for this revival of Le Parc is not the choreography, which by the way was written very precisely (I used Benesh notation for it), but the interpretation: new performers are involved who give a new energy to Mozart’s music and to the dance.

On the occasion of the revival by the Paris Opera Ballet of Angelin Preljocaj’s Le Parc, Corinne Crouy, milliner at the Palais Garnier, reveals some of the secrets of her craft. Within the costume department, she and her team are in charge of the creation of all the hats, head-dresses, tiaras and other forms of headwear designed in the course of the ballet productions. A look back at the hats from Le Parc.

“When creating the costumes in 1994, the designer Hervé Pierre had not envisaged making hats for this production. It was on discovering that a team of milliners worked at the Paris Opera that he designed straw hats, thus bringing an additional touch of elegance to the crinolines worn by the dancers.

I have a very positive memory of our collaboration with Hervé Pierre. We hadn’t worked much with straw until that production and we were aware of the fact that we were taking part in a very beautiful, poetic and sensual production. By the way, we’re still using the same hats from the original production, including the decoration! They were made with old straw that was already in stock at the Opera when the ballet entered the repertoire. Only a few knots and attachments have been reinforced. Each hat is made from ribbons of straw stitched together entirely by hand. When the straw dries out and becomes brittle it is consolidated with silk tulle. If necessary, we adapt the crin to the colour of the dancers’ hair.

A hat for the ballet must be very strong yet as light as possible so as not to hinder the dancers, whilst still staying firmly in place. During fittings, we adjust the ribbons and attachments so that the performers don’t meet with any difficulties on stage and feel as free as possible.

Le Parc is a production with relatively few hats: a dozen three-cornered hats which the dancers get rid of very quickly after coming on stage, and five straw hats. Which isn’t many compared with the productions of Rudolf Nureyev (Cendrillon, Raymonda, Swan Lake, La Bayadère), Balanchine’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream and even Body and Soul by Crystal Pite.

Like those of Le Parc, other hats have also survived the test of time: those of Swan Lake and Romeo and Juliet (1984) for example. The head-dresses of Le Chevalier et la demoiselle go back as far as 1945! But our craft has evolved and has revealed new challenges: working with new materials, making hats even more comfortable and practical for the dancers. In short, we always need to be more creative with materials that are evolving whilst respecting the wishes of the production team and the dancers.